The first time I heard Santi’s voice I was a fan and scooped up their sample EP Burned Again and their proper LP Burned Again for good measure. I caught up with her while her new band was recording their new EP and we talked about her recording with Darryl Jennifer of Bad Brains, stumbling into becoming a rock star, and convinced me that maybe I should get my kids a Quaker education.
Stiffed - He Looks Good
Stiffed - Burned Again
Here's the interview-- enjoy!
Lee: Why the new band members?
Santi: It was time to regroup. You'll see...
L: How was it working with Darryl Jennifer and how
did you come to work with him?
S: It was great working with Daryl. I have so much
respect for him and it was an honor to have him be a
part of Stiffed's evolution. I got involved with Daryl
because I opened for Bad Brains in DC, and their
manager at the time introduced me to Daryl (I think).
After the show, Doc, and Earl spoke to me about
producing my project, and Daryl was not feeling well
so I never even spoke to him about it. Soon after I
did a short tour with HR, and was still in touch with
the Brains' manager, who had been telling Daryl about
me. And somehow, we ended up speaking and just making
it happen. The new EP is not produced by Daryl,
however, although the first EP and the LP were.
L:While were on the subject why another EP as opposed
to a full album?
S: We're doing another EP because really, I may as
well let the cat out the bag, it's a new project, no
longer called Stiffed, and it's going to be released
on a UK-based indie called Lizard King. So it's really
a means of introducing the project, while I'm working
on the full length.
L: Let’s talk about your school days. How long did
you go and how was it going to Germantown Friends
School in Philly? The idea of a Quaker School kind of
weirds me out.
S: I went to Germantown Friends School for 3 years,
10th through 12th grades. It wasn't that strange
really. Half of the private schools in Philly are
Quaker because there were loads of Quakers that
settled in Pennsylvania. It was an amazing school
academically, and the environment was very free. We
called all of our teachers by their first names, we
had loads of free periods, during which time we could
leave campus, or go up in the art room and paint for a
couple hours at a time while listening to the radio.
It was really advanced I thought, in that way, in that
it allowed us the space to be responsible adults. They
gave us loads of work and responsibility and the space
to figure out an approach to how we learned best
individually. We had to go to meeting for worship once
a week, where we sat in the meeting house on wooden
benches in silence for 45 minutes, and if you were
moved to say something, anything that was on your
mind, you would just stand up and say it, and everyone
would listen. Then you'd sit down, and everyone would
silently reflect on what you said until the next
person was moved to say something. The idea being that
there's God in everyone, and in effect, God can speak
through anyone or anything. That was really as
religious as it got.
L: How was it going from Wesleyan University to Howard
University?
S: It was a nice change socially, not so great
academically. Kind of like going from private school
to public school. At private school you have a great
education shoved down your throat, at public school
you get a great education if you take the initiative
to seek it out. It was like that. It was at Howard
though, that I realized that I was an artist. It was
great to be around so many young black people who took
themselves so seriously as artists. I had always been
into so many different things, like sports (I played
lacrosse at Wesleyan, and field hockey, basketball and
lacrosse in high school), and my academics, and even
business and entrepreneurial endeavors. But I met a
bunch of really interesting people at Howard who
helped me claim that part of myself as a central
identity. I also stopped painting at Howard. I don't
know if it was because I hated my painting class
there, or because I realized that something had to
give if I was ever going to be great at any one thing,
but that's when I decided to focus on music. Wesleyan
was great too. I had the best classes I could have
ever wanted, everything was SO interesting to me. It
was just in the middle of nowhere and socially not
very stimulating. So together, the two experiences
made a great one. I graduated early from Wesleyan
though, so I actually spent my senior year in NYC.
L: It seems that early in your career you had a lot
of behind the scenes jobs in the industry. What made
you decide to want to be an artist?
S: I never wanted to be a performing artist at all. I
stumbled into that by default, kind of by narrowing
down what I didn't want, I ended up on stage. It's
kind of backwards, huh?
L:Was there ever a time that you tried to fit into
the “Black kid�? stereotype and if so when did you
decide to do what made you happy?
S: Yup. When I was 12, I worked downtown (in Philly)
for the first time, a summer job at my dad's office
(from which I was fired in the end). I went to an all
girls private school in Chesnut Hill at the time, a
WASPy little neighborhood that had nothing to do with
me. And it was so exciting for me to see all the cool
black girls with these asymmetrical haircuts and huge
gold earrings. So naturally, I hustled up some cash (I
don't know if it's incriminating to say how) and
bought myself some huge gold "Santi" earrings, a new
haircut, and a leather trench coat. I went back to 8th
grade that fall looking and talking completely
different. It was hilarious. The next year I went to
public school to pursue my new identity. It was so
much fun and a complete mess! All the girls wanted to
beat me up, and I didn't learn a thing (I made no
effort to get into any of the good classes). But I met
a bunch of lifelong friends and got exposed to
everything I wanted to get into that year. Then I went
to Germantown Friends the next year, and picked up
where I left off.
L: Can you go into your experiences with record
labels? For instance, every who pays attention knows
that you go “burned ... again�? but what happened
exactly? What took the album so long to come out?
S: People are very afraid of new things, and the
industry is a mess. It's the same story over and over,
but that's the bottom line.
L: Being a Black woman fronting a rock band you have
a lot of different sets of eyes looking at you. Some
are inspired by you and some just want to see what the
Hell you're all about. How does this effect you? Does
this inspire, scare, upset, etc... you in anyway?
S:I like it. It's very important to me to break down
some of the barriers that have been placed on black
music. And if that means that sometimes I perform in
front of a crowd of people looking at me like I'm
crazy, so be it. I get loads of positive reinforcement
from people who are inspired, and that's inspiring to
me.
L: Ok,lastly, I know you have to listen to hip hop. Is
there anyone that interest you these days? I know
everyone over 25 claims they don't listen to anything
recent but still...
S: I listen to Spankrock, and I really do like
Southern rappers, I always have, there's a bunch of
Lil' Wayne and B. G., and 3 6 Mafia songs that I like,
as far as recent stuff anyway. I've always been a fan
of pre '95 Hip Hop, that list would go on for days.
L: Thanks for your time
S: Thanks Lee, great questions.
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